Snowflake…they love the stock at 400 and hate it at 165. That’s the nature of the business isn’t it? Especially in this crazy cycle over the last two years of lockdowns, free money, exploding demand and now rising inflation and rates. But with the Fed providing some clarity on its actions, the time has come to really look at the fundamentals of companies and there’s no tech company more fun to analyze than Snowflake.
In this breaking analysis we take look at the action of Snowflake’s stock since its IPO, why it’s behaved the way it has, how some sharp traders are looking at the stock and most importantly, what customer demand looks like.
Snowflake’s Remarkable Journey as a Public Company
The action in Snowflake’s stock has provided great theater since its IPO.
Some lucky individuals were able to acquire the stock at its IPO price of 120 before the open. Many held their noses and bought the stock on day one at over 300…a day when it closed at around 240 that first day.
Snowflake hit 164 earlier this week, its all-time low as a public company. As Chip Symington, a long-time trader told us “when great companies trade at all time lows because of panic selling, it’s worth taking a shot.” Now of course the stock could go lower, there’s geopolitical risk and the stock, with a $64B market cap is expensive for a company forecast to do around $2B in product revenue this year. And remember – I don’t recommend stocks and you shouldn’t trade on my comments; but I have lots of data and opinions that I’m willing to share with you.
When great companies trade at all time lows because of panic selling, it’s worth taking a shot. -Chip Symington
Stocks like Snowflake, Crowdstrike, Zscaler, Okta and companies like this are highly volatile (high betas). When markets are moving up, they’ll move faster than the mean…when they’re declining they drop more severely. And that’s clearly what’s happened to Snowflake. So with a company like this you see panic selling and panic buying like we’ve seen with this name. It went from below 200 to 320 in a very short period of time last year.
Some investors believe Snowflake put in a short term bottom this past week and many felt the issue was oversold.
Diverging Opinions Make a Market
But not everyone felt bullish and you could see that in the headlines.
Look at the headlines in the graphic above. “Snowflake hits low but cloud stocks rise…” Let’s come back to that. Is it a buy? Don’t buy the dip! Buy the dip? And what Snowflake investors can learn from Microsoft. And Daniel Martins wrote on TheStreet: ““SNOW stock is sliding on the back of ill-received guidance.”
To that last comment we would say conservative guidance these days is anything but ill-conceived.
How One Sharp Bull Views an Opportunity
Let’s unpack all this a bit. And to do so we reached out to Ivana Delevska who has been on this program before. She’s with SPEAR Invest – a female-led ETR that goes deep into understanding supply chains. She came on Breaking Analysis and laid out her buy the dip thesis on Snowflake.
She told us SPEAR still likes Snowflake and it has doubled its position. In her analysis she called out two drivers for the downside on Snowflake’s stock: 1) Interest rates; and 2) Snowflake’s conservative guide.
Let’s dig into that further. Snowflake guided for product revenue growth of 67% which was below buy side expectations but within sell side consensus. So Snowflake’s CFO chose in his guidance to moderate expectations and keep them below the so-called ‘whisper numbers.’ Regardless, the guide was nuanced and in a large part driven by Snowflake’s decision to pass along price efficiencies to customers from optimizing processor price/performance. This will hit a net of about $100M in revenue this year to Snowflake’s income statement. But the timing is not precise. Snowflake estimates it will lose around $165M in revenue as a result of the price change but gain back around $65M through increased demand.
Frank Slootman on the earnings call said, “this is not philanthropy– this stimulates demand.” That’s classic Slootman. The point is SPEAR and other bulls believe this will result in a gain for Snowflake over the medium term and we would agree. When the price goes down, ROI goes up. Customers will respond by allocating more projects to Snowflake and in our view, this gives the company an advantage as they continue to build their competitive moat.
It’s a longer term bet on cloud and data. Good bets in our opinion.
Staying Ahead of Competitive Pressures
Now some of this could also be related to competitive threats. There have been published studies from independent firms (possibly sponsored) attacking Snowflake’s price/performance and making comparisons. Oracle has also been publicly aggressive as have others but so far it hasn’t seemed to impact Snowflake as its customers continue to consume.
What can we Learn From Microsoft’s Experience? Not Much Frankly…
Back to the article on what can we learn from Microsoft that applies to Snowflake…the article from Benzinga.
The article quoted a wealth manager named Josh Brown talking about what happened to Microsoft after the dotcom bubble burst. It explained how Microsoft quadrupled earnings over the next decade and the stock went sideways. Suggesting the same thing could happen to Snowflake and investors could end up with no return. While that is possibly true the comparison didn’t resonate in our view.
First, Microsoft was a $23B company at the time and had earned a monopoly position. Microsoft was already highly profitable then the bubble burst. Steve Ballmer became CEO of Microsoft right after the boom and he held on to Windows for dear life. He basically lived off of Microsoft’s PC software monopoly. During Ballmer’s tenure, Microsoft became an extremely profitable and remarkably uninteresting caretaker of a PC and on-prem software estate. It was the story of ‘maximum vanilla.’
So we just don’t see the comparison as relevant. Snowflake may struggle for other reasons but that one didn’t make sense.
Will Cloud & Data Markets Behave Differently?
Take a look at the chart below.
It poses the question – do cloud data markets behave differently (than traditional on-prem models). The chart shows AWS’ growth rates over time, and superimposes revenue in red. In Q1 2018 AWS generated $5.4B in revenue and was growing at nearly a 50% rate. That rate decelerated quite significantly as AWS grew to a $50B run rate company. Makes sense right? Law of large numbers. Can’t keep growing as fast when you get that big.
Well…look what happens in 2021. AWS’ growth rate bottoms in the high 20’s and then rockets back up to 40% this past quarter as AWS surpasses a $70B revenue run rate.
So you have to ask – is cloud different? Is data different? Is cloud data different? Will the Snowflake Data Cloud be different? Can cloud, because of its consumption model, speed of innovation, ecosystem depth and breadth and network effects, enable Snowflake to exhibit lots of variability in its growth rates versus a progressive and somewhat linear decline in growth as the company grows?
It’s entirely possible and even probable.
Is the Market Large Enough to Sustain Snowflake’s Lofty Expectations?
Having a large market is critical to companies like Snowflake. If they run out of market it limits a company’s strategic options. It happened to Frank Slootman at Data Domain. It’s happened to many great and good companies. EMC, Sun Microsystems, Digital Equipment Corporation, Tableau, Slack, Netscape, Lotus, Marketo and dozens of other companies that ran into headwinds in part due to lack of market.
Below is a chart we’ve shared before with some additions. It’s our version of Snowflake’s TAM. With Snowflake’s version superimposed on the right.
It shows the various layers of market opportunity that Snowflake and others have in front of them. Emerging from the disruption of legacy data lakes and data warehouses to what Snowflake refers to as its data cloud (maps to our 3rd & 4th layers). We think about the Data Mesh concept and decentralized data architectures with domain ownership and data product / service builders as consistent with Snowflake’s data cloud vision. Where Snowflake data stores are nodes on the mesh that can be discovered, shared and of course are governed in a federated model. Along with data lakes, data marts, S3 buckets and other data repositories.
And then it gets fuzzy in the outer layers where data from edge locations becomes massive and decision-making occurs in real time where machines and machine data take over the world. Sounds out there but it’s real and how exactly snowflake plays there is unclear. It’s not a real time engine – it’s an analytical system moving into the realm of data science and we’ve talked about the need for a semantic layer between those two worlds. But expanding the scope further out, we think Snowflake has a big role to play in this future. And the size of this future is massive.
Time to Revisit Fundamentals – Focus on Customers
As analysts that view companies through a fundamentals prism you look at markets and TAM but you also want to understand the customers, customer adoption and buying patterns and why they buy.
It’s easy to find Snowflake customers. Capital One, Disney, Micron, Allianz, Sainsbury, Sonos and hundreds of other companies will speak publicly about Snowflake. We’ve interviewed Snowflake customers who have also been customers of Oracle, Teradata, IBM, Netezza, Vertica – serious database practitioners. Who tell us that Snowflake is different. It’s simpler, more agile, less complicated to secure and disruptive to their traditional ways of doing data management.
There are naysayers. We’ve spoken to a number of analysts that feel Snowflake is deficient in areas like workload management, complex joins and is too specialized in a world where we’re seeing the convergence of analytics and transactional workloads. Wikibon’s own David Floyer believes that what Oracle is doing with MySQL Heatwave is radically disruptive to many of the database architectures and blows away anything out there. And he’s stated that Snowflake is not architected for real-time inference where a lot of that multi-hundred billion dollar market is going.
And look Snowflake has a ton of competition. All the major cloud players have very capable competitive database platforms – even though they all partner with Snowflake…except Oracle of course. But companies like Databricks and lots of other VC-funded companies that have raised billions of dollars to do elastic, consumption-based, separate compute from storage stuff.
So you have to always keep an open mind and be aware of blind spots to these companies. But to the criticisms we would say Snowflake really got there first and watch their ecosystem. It is a key to its continued success. Snowflake will not go it alone and it will use ecosystem partners to expand its reach and accelerate network effects and fill gaps.
And it will acquire. Its stock is valuable so it should be doing that as just did with Streamlit, a zero revenue company Snowflake acquired for $800M in stock and cash. Streamlit is an open source python library that gets Snowflake further into the data science space. And watch what Snowflake is doing with Snowpark – an api library for processing data and building data intensive applications.
Rather than trying to do it all themselves, it seems Snowflake is staring at the API economy and building its ecosystem to plug holes.
How are Customers Spending on Snowflake?
Ok so back to the customers.
The chart above shows Snowflake’s customer spending momentum or Net Score on the top blue line and pervasiveness in the data or marketshare on the bottom brown line. Snowflake has unprecedented Net Scores and has held them up for many quarters. All leading to its market share penetration.
This chart shows Net Score in the Global 2000, which indicates Snowflake has even greater momentum with these customers.
Now we will point out the following. We don’t see how this performance is sustainable in the ETR survey. We wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Snowflake come back to earth in one of the ETR surveys this year. Even then however, we would expect them to maintain a high spending velocity score. In our view, it’s likely that we’re going to see Snowflake porpoise a bit here – meaning moderate and come back up and undulate a bit. It’s just really hard to sustain this pace of momentum and hire, train, retain and scale without absorbing some friction that will slow you down. But to the AWS growth example earlier it’s entirely possible we could see a similar dynamic with Snowflake. Where you see an AWS and say a Salesforce or ServiceNow. Very successful, large, entrenched high growth companies that show sustained momentum.
Snowflake we think will achieve that status sometime this decade.
Looking Deeper into Snowflake’s Numbers
Even though people are concerned about the moderated guidance of 80% growth – yeah that’s the new definition of tepid – we like to look at remaining performance obligations – RPO, Snowflake’s RPO is up to something like $2.6B now and it’s a forward looking indicator of future success. Its other metrics are also off the charts and while we do expect some moderation in growth rates, we believe management is being prudently cautiously in its guidance. For a stock valued as highly as Snowflake we think that’s smart.
So you’re going to see some ups and downs, we have no doubt but things are still looking pretty solid for Snowflake. Growth companies like Snowflake and the ones we mentioned earlier have probably been repriced and refactored by investors . And while there’s always market and geopolitical risk – especially in these times…fundamentals matter.
Snowflake: Huge market, well capitalized, leadership product position, strong customer adoption and great team.
Snowflake’s Management Team
Team is something we haven’t touched on but it’s a critical fundamental. We’ll leave you with this thought. Everyone knows about Frank Slootman, Mike Scarpelli and what they’ve accomplished in the years they’ve worked together. It’s not just those two of course, but their ability to attract and retain talent. They complement brilliant technical founders. We saw this at Data Domain, ServiceNow and again at Snowflake.
Slootman just documented much of this in his book Amp it Up, which gives great insider insight into how he thinks about companies, markets and his management style. But you have to wonder how long he’s going to keep going.
What keeps Frank Slootman motivated? We asked him one time and here’s what he said on theCUBE:
Listen to Frank Slootman explain why he’s still at it…
So there you have it. He’s in it for the sport! How great is that? He loves building companies. That’s how he thinks about success. It’s not for the money – that’s the byproduct of success. As Earl Nightingale would say: “Success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal.” Building great companies, building products that change the world, changing people’s lives with data and insights, creating jobs, creating life altering wealth opportunities – not for himself – but for thousands of employees and partners…
We’d say that’s a pretty worthy ideal and we hope Frank Slootman sticks with it for a while.
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